Update on Mailman 3 launch


Eric Searcy <eric@...>
 

Thank you for your patience as we continue to pilot Mailman 3 with the Cloud Foundry project. We do appreciate any feedback (and bug reports!) you have from using the system, which can be sent to helpdesk(a)cloudfoundry.org.

We have an open upstream bug about the issue that is causing delays to mail (including messages you post via the web interface sometimes not showing up). I hope this will have a proper resolution by the end of the week, and in the mean time we will be monitoring for this and “unsticking” any messages that get stuck: so if you don’t see any error, then your message *will* get posted.
(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/138)

We have been working with the Mailman maintainers on improvements since before we launched Cloud Foundry on Mailman 3, as well as to fix the problems we’ve found since then. The following is a list of issues we’ve been able to address for the Cloud Foundry environment, so in case you have seen any of the following, they should be fixed very soon if not already:

* HTTP “500” error when authenticated users try to post on web to list they are not subscribed to:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/2
* Terrible performance with large list memberships:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/25
* Admins cannot delete lists [postgres]:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/115
* Add web links to forum in footers (not reported by us, but we sponsored the fix):
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/61
* Bug logging in with an email that was added as an alternate:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/27
* Bug adding an alternate email to your account that already is in DB:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/5
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/30
* Blurry gravatar icons:
https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/8

We’re also fixing the problem with stale search indexes and a few UI improvements, both for archive browsing and moderator queues.

Let us know if you see anything amiss!

--
Eric Searcy, Infrastructure Manager
The Linux Foundation


Eric Searcy <eric@...>
 

We have an open upstream bug about the issue that is causing delays to mail (including
messages you post via the web interface sometimes not showing up). I hope this will have
a proper resolution by the end of the week, and in the mean time we will be monitoring for
this and “unsticking” any messages that get stuck: so if you don’t see any error, then
your message *will* get posted.
(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/138)
We have a workaround in place for the above issue (hack code to disable connection pooling) and it seems to have addressed this problem until we can get a better fix.

We've also just filed a new bug related to digest delivery mode affecting 3 or 4 list members, however we haven't yet determined exactly what the nature of the impact is. Hopefully a quick fix as soon as we discover more about the bug.
(https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/141)

Eric


Marco Voelz
 

Dear Eric,

thanks for the update on the current state of mailman3. The digest bug you linked seems to be related to 'summary digests' only. However, I also don't get any mails delivered, if I choose 'mime digests' as a delivery mode.

Also, I'm not quite sure about the precedence of settings: Which settings are taken if I have different ones in global settings, address settings, and subscription-based settings?

Thanks and warm regards
Marco


Chip Childers <cchilders@...>
 

+Eric

Chip Childers | VP Technology | Cloud Foundry Foundation

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:57 AM, Marco Voelz <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Dear Eric,

thanks for the update on the current state of mailman3. The digest bug you
linked seems to be related to 'summary digests' only. However, I also don't
get any mails delivered, if I choose 'mime digests' as a delivery mode.

Also, I'm not quite sure about the precedence of settings: Which settings
are taken if I have different ones in global settings, address settings,
and subscription-based settings?

Thanks and warm regards
Marco


Eric Searcy <eric@...>
 

Hi Marco,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for longer than a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I don't see any errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about reproducing this today and submit a bug.

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the subscription, then on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug to have some better clarification in the UI.

Eric


Eric Searcy <eric@...>
 

errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
*but I will see about reproducing this today

I'll file a bug to have some better clarification in the UI.
Requested documentation in UI as a followup to https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/30 as well as posting another bug about unset values and precedence (https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/54).

Thanks for your feedback, Marco!

Eric


Marco Nicosia
 

Hi Eric (a different Marco here),

I noticed that delivery status for cf-bosh had been set to 'disabled' last
week, and re-enabled it. It's the only of the three that I have set to
'Mime Digests' delivery mode.

I don't remember which day last week, but I haven't gotten anything since,
and I can see that there was activity on the list as recently as Saturday.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io



On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Eric Searcy <eric(a)linuxfoundation.org>
wrote:

Hi Marco,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for longer
than a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I
don't see any errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see
about reproducing this today and submit a bug.

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the
subscription, then on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally
on the system default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll
file a bug to have some better clarification in the UI.

Eric


Marco Voelz
 

Hi Eric,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for longer than
a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I don't see any
errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
Yes, I can confirm that I left mime digest on for several days and there were mails which I didn't receive. Note that regular digests aren't working for me, either. Currently the only working setting seems to be single mail delivery, which is not my preferred setting.

Did you manage to reproduce that?

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the subscription, then
on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system
default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug to have some
better clarification in the UI.
Great, thanks for the bug and the explanation!

Warm regards
Marco


Marco Voelz
 

Bump & adding Eric and Marco Nicosia directly, just in case. Any updates on this?

On 28/08/15 11:23, "Marco Voelz" <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for longer than
a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I don't see any
errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
Yes, I can confirm that I left mime digest on for several days and there were mails which I didn't receive. Note that regular digests aren't working for me, either. Currently the only working setting seems to be single mail delivery, which is not my preferred setting.

Did you manage to reproduce that?

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the subscription, then
on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system
default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug to have some
better clarification in the UI.
Great, thanks for the bug and the explanation!

Warm regards
Marco


Marco Nicosia
 

Hi Marco V,

Thanks for remembering to keep on this.

Now that you mention it, I haven't gotten any cf-bosh digests till I
suddenly got two this morning.

But less recent e-mails ("Bosh target password." from Sept 2) have never
appeared in my inbox.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io
c: 650-796-2948

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Voelz, Marco <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Bump & adding Eric and Marco Nicosia directly, just in case. Any updates
on this?




On 28/08/15 11:23, "Marco Voelz" <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for
longer than
a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I
don't see any
errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about
reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
Yes, I can confirm that I left mime digest on for several days and there
were mails which I didn't receive. Note that regular digests aren't working
for me, either. Currently the only working setting seems to be single mail
delivery, which is not my preferred setting.

Did you manage to reproduce that?

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the
subscription, then
on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system
default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug
to have some
better clarification in the UI.
Great, thanks for the bug and the explanation!

Warm regards
Marco


Marco Nicosia
 

After suddenly realizing I still haven't seen an e-mail to cf-bosh, I have
given up.

I've switched all my subscriptions over to Regular, no digests.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io
c: 650-796-2948

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Marco Nicosia <mnicosia(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

Hi Marco V,

Thanks for remembering to keep on this.

Now that you mention it, I haven't gotten any cf-bosh digests till I
suddenly got two this morning.

But less recent e-mails ("Bosh target password." from Sept 2) have never
appeared in my inbox.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io
c: 650-796-2948


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Voelz, Marco <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Bump & adding Eric and Marco Nicosia directly, just in case. Any updates
on this?




On 28/08/15 11:23, "Marco Voelz" <marco.voelz(a)sap.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for
longer than
a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I
don't see any
errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about
reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
Yes, I can confirm that I left mime digest on for several days and there
were mails which I didn't receive. Note that regular digests aren't working
for me, either. Currently the only working setting seems to be single mail
delivery, which is not my preferred setting.

Did you manage to reproduce that?

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on
the subscription, then
on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system
default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug
to have some
better clarification in the UI.
Great, thanks for the bug and the explanation!

Warm regards
Marco


Marco Voelz
 

Pretty much the same here. Haven’t heard back from Eric as well – he tried to reproduce that error some time ago.
@Eric: Any news on that? My Inbox is going crazy on the amount of mails per day :(

Warm regards
Marco

On 30/09/15 17:22, "Marco Nicosia" <mnicosia(a)pivotal.io<mailto:mnicosia(a)pivotal.io>> wrote:

After suddenly realizing I still haven't seen an e-mail to cf-bosh, I have given up.

I've switched all my subscriptions over to Regular, no digests.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io<mailto:mnicosia(a)pivotal.io>
c: 650-796-2948


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Marco Nicosia <mnicosia(a)pivotal.io<mailto:mnicosia(a)pivotal.io>> wrote:
Hi Marco V,

Thanks for remembering to keep on this.

Now that you mention it, I haven't gotten any cf-bosh digests till I suddenly got two this morning.

But less recent e-mails ("Bosh target password." from Sept 2) have never appeared in my inbox.


--
Marco Nicosia
Product Manager
Pivotal Software, Inc.
mnicosia(a)pivotal.io<mailto:mnicosia(a)pivotal.io>
c: 650-796-2948<tel:650-796-2948>


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Voelz, Marco <marco.voelz(a)sap.com<mailto:marco.voelz(a)sap.com>> wrote:
Bump & adding Eric and Marco Nicosia directly, just in case. Any updates on this?




On 28/08/15 11:23, "Marco Voelz" <marco.voelz(a)sap.com<mailto:marco.voelz(a)sap.com>> wrote:

Hi Eric,

Just to confirm, did you leave it enabled in "mime digest" mode for longer than
a day so that there was list traffic to bundle and digest for you? I don't see any
errors in the error log related to MIME digest sends, but see about reproducing this today
and submit a bug.
Yes, I can confirm that I left mime digest on for several days and there were mails which I didn't receive. Note that regular digests aren't working for me, either. Currently the only working setting seems to be single mail delivery, which is not my preferred setting.

Did you manage to reproduce that?

The preference lookup appears to give precedence to the settings on the subscription, then
on the address, then on the user ("global"), and finally on the system
default—it stops at the first defined value it sees. I'll file a bug to have some
better clarification in the UI.
Great, thanks for the bug and the explanation!

Warm regards
Marco