Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER modifications


Juan Pablo Genovese
 

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Meilleurs vœux,

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------------------------------------------------------
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Sree Tummidi
 

I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
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Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Juan Pablo Genovese
 

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:

I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can
be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
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Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Juan Pablo Genovese
 

I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want something
that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly polling for
them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:

I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
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Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Meilleurs vœux,

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Mike Youngstrom
 

We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:

I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
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Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Juan Pablo
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Matthias X Hub
 

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall."
<cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
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We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can
be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
Mis mejores deseos,
Best wishes,
Meilleurs v?ux,

Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Juan Pablo
------------------------------------------------------
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Juan Pablo Genovese
 

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com*
<juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can
be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
Mis mejores deseos,
Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
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Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
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Dieu Cao <dcao@...>
 

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to
and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such as
the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com*
<juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
Mis mejores deseos,
Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
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Matt Cowger
 

I've wanted something similar as well.

On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC -
apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that object
would be of value for detecting if something has changed.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to
and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
Mis mejores deseos,
Best wishes,
Meilleurs vœux,

Juan Pablo
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Koper, Dies <diesk@...>
 

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made? (Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).

Regards,
Dies Koper

From: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org [mailto:cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Matt Cowger
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
To: Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER modifications

I've wanted something similar as well.

On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC - apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io<mailto:dcao(a)pivotal.io>> wrote:
There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com<mailto:juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com<mailto:matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>>:
Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com<mailto:youngm(a)gmail.com>>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org<mailto:cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER modifications
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________________________________



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com<mailto:juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com<mailto:juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io<mailto:stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com<mailto:juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Benjamin Black
 

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com>
wrote:

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and allow
clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get quick
empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made? (Or
maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



*From:* cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org [mailto:
cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Cowger
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC
- apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to
and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can
be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Anyone wiling to do a Hangout and start talking this? I really want to push
this forward.

Thanks!!

JP

2015-07-23 4:39 GMT-03:00 Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io>:

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com>
wrote:

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and
allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get
quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made?
(Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



*From:* cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org [mailto:
cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Cowger
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC
- apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Mike Youngstrom
 

Good point. The notifications would probably need to be reliable.

What about something like an Atom feed?

Mike

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to
and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Hi All,

I'm glad to see the interest in this feature. I think this feature is a
cross cutting concern across a few teams.
I can take this and work on framing the `what` and `why` of the problem and
send out a proposal for review and comment.
We can then take that to our engineering directors and then look at the how.
I'll try to work on the initial problem statement in the next week or so.

-Dieu
Runtime PMC Lead

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Good point. The notifications would probably need to be reliable.

What about something like an Atom feed?

Mike

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

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*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture
ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Juan Pablo Genovese
 

Dieu,

that is awesome. If you need any input from my side, since I'm the OP,
please shoot me an email.

Thanks!!

2015-07-23 15:26 GMT-03:00 Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io>:

Hi All,

I'm glad to see the interest in this feature. I think this feature is a
cross cutting concern across a few teams.
I can take this and work on framing the `what` and `why` of the problem
and send out a proposal for review and comment.
We can then take that to our engineering directors and then look at the
how.
I'll try to work on the initial problem statement in the next week or so.

-Dieu
Runtime PMC Lead

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Good point. The notifications would probably need to be reliable.

What about something like an Atom feed?

Mike

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
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------------------------------



We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications
via something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <*stummidi(a)pivotal.io*
<stummidi(a)pivotal.io>>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
*juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com* <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture
ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the
least favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx
to capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Matthias X Hub
 

Hi, happy to participate, we already have some initial ideas! Regards,
Matthias



From: Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall."
<cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 23.07.2015 15:41
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
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Anyone wiling to do a Hangout and start talking this? I really want to
push this forward.

Thanks!!

JP

2015-07-23 4:39 GMT-03:00 Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io>:
ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com>
wrote:
Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and allow
clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get quick
empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made? (Or
maybe this is already working so ? haven?t checked).

Regards,
Dies Koper

From: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org [mailto:
cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Matt Cowger
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
To: Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER modifications

I've wanted something similar as well.

On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC
- apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:
There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.
The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe to
and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.
We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.
Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.

The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
My take:

CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.
This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.
What do you think?

JP

2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:
Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which can
be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Matt Cowger
 

I think ETags is reasonable thought as well.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com>
wrote:

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and
allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get
quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made?
(Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



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*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in CC
- apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how to
solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with the
cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Jean-Sebastien Delfino
 

I’m going to need something like this too for the CF Abacus service
metering project, as I’d like to track the lifecycle of orgs, users, etc to
match their history with the usage data reported for them.


Here’s a straw man description of what I had in mind:


- For Abacus, I’d need a Lossless API. Usage metering eventually translates
to billing and money, you don’t want to lose that :)


- An extension or variant of the current CF /v2/events API supporting
users, orgs, app usage etc, as even with a notification API I’ll still need
to do GETs sometimes.


- 304 responses with etags on these GETs (as suggested earlier in the
thread [1]) would be good.


- A Webhook style notification API where I could register interest in a
selection of events with a callback URL, and get these events POSTed back
to me at that URL, similar to what Github and many others do with Webhooks.


- On top of Webhooks, it’d be nice to have a form of streaming (either down
to the client like the Firehose does or in the other direction up to the
Webhook callback URL), but I'm not sure if we’ll need that in the project
right away.


- We’d obviously need some form of security, maybe use my user token to
register for events on entities that I have access to?


- I’m also curious about the group’s thoughts on queueing and back-pressure
when events get generated faster that they can be consumed for example.
There was a mention of some message queuing earlier [2]. That would make
sense to me (although IMO it’d be good if the underlying MQ didn’t shine
through the API). What did you have in mind for this?


I guess there are quite a few things to figure out here! I’ll be happy to
collaborate with the community on these discussions.


Thoughts?


[1]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p842.html

[2]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p834.html


- Jean-Sebastien

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Matt Cowger <matt(a)cowger.us> wrote:

I think ETags is reasonable thought as well.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com>
wrote:

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and
allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get
quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made?
(Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



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*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in
CC - apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns that
are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term, such
as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate on a
proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
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------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture ORG,
SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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Dieu Cao <dcao@...>
 

Hi all interested in notifications on modification of resources,

It would be helpful for me in framing the "what" and the "why" of this
feature if you could also describe your specific use cases and pain points
on why you would want notifications on modifications and also which
resources you particularly care about.
Is it for real time updates on a dashboard? For consumption for billing
purposes? For triggering provisioning/deprovisioning of resources?

-Dieu

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <
jsdelfino(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I’m going to need something like this too for the CF Abacus service
metering project, as I’d like to track the lifecycle of orgs, users, etc to
match their history with the usage data reported for them.


Here’s a straw man description of what I had in mind:


- For Abacus, I’d need a Lossless API. Usage metering eventually
translates to billing and money, you don’t want to lose that :)


- An extension or variant of the current CF /v2/events API supporting
users, orgs, app usage etc, as even with a notification API I’ll still need
to do GETs sometimes.


- 304 responses with etags on these GETs (as suggested earlier in the
thread [1]) would be good.


- A Webhook style notification API where I could register interest in a
selection of events with a callback URL, and get these events POSTed back
to me at that URL, similar to what Github and many others do with Webhooks.


- On top of Webhooks, it’d be nice to have a form of streaming (either
down to the client like the Firehose does or in the other direction up to
the Webhook callback URL), but I'm not sure if we’ll need that in the
project right away.


- We’d obviously need some form of security, maybe use my user token to
register for events on entities that I have access to?


- I’m also curious about the group’s thoughts on queueing and
back-pressure when events get generated faster that they can be consumed
for example. There was a mention of some message queuing earlier [2]. That
would make sense to me (although IMO it’d be good if the underlying MQ
didn’t shine through the API). What did you have in mind for this?


I guess there are quite a few things to figure out here! I’ll be happy to
collaborate with the community on these discussions.


Thoughts?


[1]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p842.html

[2]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p834.html


- Jean-Sebastien

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Matt Cowger <matt(a)cowger.us> wrote:

I think ETags is reasonable thought as well.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io>
wrote:

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose. I'd
recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com
wrote:
Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and
allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get
quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made?
(Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



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cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Cowger
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in
CC - apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns
that are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to subscribe
to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so that other
behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the use
case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term,
such as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate
on a proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications via
something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:

Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture
ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the least
favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx to
capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

--
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Meilleurs vœux,

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For us the main use case is security auditing to keep a long term record of
who has done anything. In the case of our Security team rather than use CF
events directly they preferred to have events forwarded to Security
Analytics. Today we pull events then forward the details to Security
Analytics via a syslog endpoint.

Mike

[0] http://www.emc.com/security/security-analytics/security-analytics.htm

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

Hi all interested in notifications on modification of resources,

It would be helpful for me in framing the "what" and the "why" of this
feature if you could also describe your specific use cases and pain points
on why you would want notifications on modifications and also which
resources you particularly care about.
Is it for real time updates on a dashboard? For consumption for billing
purposes? For triggering provisioning/deprovisioning of resources?

-Dieu

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <
jsdelfino(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I’m going to need something like this too for the CF Abacus service
metering project, as I’d like to track the lifecycle of orgs, users, etc to
match their history with the usage data reported for them.


Here’s a straw man description of what I had in mind:


- For Abacus, I’d need a Lossless API. Usage metering eventually
translates to billing and money, you don’t want to lose that :)


- An extension or variant of the current CF /v2/events API supporting
users, orgs, app usage etc, as even with a notification API I’ll still need
to do GETs sometimes.


- 304 responses with etags on these GETs (as suggested earlier in the
thread [1]) would be good.


- A Webhook style notification API where I could register interest in a
selection of events with a callback URL, and get these events POSTed back
to me at that URL, similar to what Github and many others do with Webhooks.


- On top of Webhooks, it’d be nice to have a form of streaming (either
down to the client like the Firehose does or in the other direction up to
the Webhook callback URL), but I'm not sure if we’ll need that in the
project right away.


- We’d obviously need some form of security, maybe use my user token to
register for events on entities that I have access to?


- I’m also curious about the group’s thoughts on queueing and
back-pressure when events get generated faster that they can be consumed
for example. There was a mention of some message queuing earlier [2]. That
would make sense to me (although IMO it’d be good if the underlying MQ
didn’t shine through the API). What did you have in mind for this?


I guess there are quite a few things to figure out here! I’ll be happy to
collaborate with the community on these discussions.


Thoughts?


[1]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p842.html

[2]
http://cf-dev.70369.x6.nabble.com/cf-dev-Notifications-on-ORG-SPACE-and-USER-modifications-tp827p834.html


- Jean-Sebastien

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Matt Cowger <matt(a)cowger.us> wrote:

I think ETags is reasonable thought as well.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Black <bblack(a)pivotal.io>
wrote:

ETags and a 304 response are specifically intended for that purpose.
I'd recommend that over relying on Last-Modified.


b

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Koper, Dies <
diesk(a)fast.au.fujitsu.com> wrote:

Or setting the Last-Modified HTTP response header accordingly, and
allow clients to use HTTP caching mechanisms (Last-Modified, etc.) to get
quick empty responses with the current APIs if no changes have been made?
(Or maybe this is already working so – haven’t checked).



Regards,

Dies Koper



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cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Cowger
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:45 PM
*To:* Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
*Subject:* Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications



I've wanted something similar as well.



On a related note, having a CC API 'serial' number (for each object in
CC - apps, spaces, etc) that increments on every change relevant to that
object would be of value for detecting if something has changed.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dieu Cao <dcao(a)pivotal.io> wrote:

There are a few different approaches to this and different concerns
that are possible.

The requests I've seen have been around wanting to be able to
subscribe to and filter the various events that cc currently generates so
that other behavior could be triggered.

We currently have events, app usage events, and service usage events.

Is it acceptable for the notifications to be lossy? Depends on the
use case but If so, then the firehose may be an acceptable approach.



The CAPI team is currently focusing on other work in the near term,
such as the v3 API and private brokers, but would be happy to collaborate
on a proposal.





On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

My take:



CC should have callbacks on for each model create, update and delete
methods. Those callbacks will send a message to an MQ, which you can
subscribe to consume those messages.

This can be expanded to pretty much every event we need to track.

What do you think?



JP



2015-07-22 17:30 GMT-03:00 Matthias X Hub <matthias.hub(a)de.ibm.com>:

Hi,

we (=IBM) are also having the need and are currently investigating how
to solve this. We plan to work on a proposal to discuss this further with
the cf community. I'll keep you updated on that.

Regards,
Matthias



From: Mike Youngstrom <youngm(a)gmail.com>
To: "Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system
overall." <cf-dev(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org>
Date: 22.07.2015 20:57
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Notifications on ORG, SPACE and USER
modifications
Sent by: cf-dev-bounces(a)lists.cloudfoundry.org
------------------------------




We have the same need. Today we are polling the CC.

It would be nice for us also if we could get CC event notifications
via something like the firehose.

Mike

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, I know you can list those events thru the API, but I want
something that will react on an event instead of having to be constantly
polling for them.

2015-07-22 13:18 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com>:
Sree,

thanks! Any pointers on how can I hook up to these audit events?

Thank you!

2015-07-22 13:12 GMT-03:00 Sree Tummidi <stummidi(a)pivotal.io>:
I believe there are audit events generated for all these actions which
can be captured and forwarded to an SIEM solution like splunk

Thanks,
Sree

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Juan Pablo Genovese <
juanpgenovese(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I need to somehow hook up into the Cloud Controller (CC) to capture
ORG, SPACE and USER deletion, insertion and update.

So far, I considered some approaches, such as forking the CC (the
least favorite) and modifying the code with some hooks, tapping into Nginx
to capture the requests, and using triggers in the database to capture each
event and send the necessary info to a service.

What do you think?
Any other idea you might have?

Thanks!

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