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Re: Incubating KubeCF

Eric Malm <emalm@...>
 

Thanks, Vlad!

Everyone, if you do have comments for the proposal document, please make them there or on this message thread by the 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, Feb 20. I've asked for the Runtime PMC members to approve the project via email starting at that point, with the intent of resolving the proposal by early next week, instead of waiting for synchronous discussion at the March 3rd PMC meeting.

Best,
Eric


On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 1:56 PM Vlad Iovanov <viovanov@...> wrote:

Hello again, here’s the proposal doc with more details:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1plgJudkK1X_hZZ1qkoUGJpnHNHPXBPL3ULA__KQ_GAM/edit?usp=sharing

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

From: Chip Childers
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 8:02 PM
To: CF Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Incubating KubeCF

 

Happy to see this Vlad!

 

Who is proposed to be the project lead, and who are the initial committers?

 

Chip Childers, CTO

Cloud Foundry Foundation

 

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:44 PM Vlad Iovanov <VIovanov@...> wrote:

Hi all,

SUSE would like to propose the KubeCF project for incubation in the Application Runtime PMC.

Kube CF is a Cloud Foundry distribution that runs on Kubernetes.

It uses the cf-operator [1] to deploy a full Cloud Foundry, that runs all the certified components.

It can also run Eirini [2] instead of Diego (so your apps are also run natively on Kube).

It’s fully open source with an Apache 2.0 license and can currently be found on GitHub at https://github.com/SUSE/kubecf.

The project would follow a distributed committer model.

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

[1] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/cf-operator

[2] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/eirini

 


Reminder: CAB call on Wednesday, February 19th @ 8AM PT / 11AM ET / 5PM CET

Troy Topnik
 

Howdy all! We have a CAB call coming up Wed. 19th at 8AM Pacific.

There's a tentative agenda that includes the usual updates from the Foundation, the PMC projects, and a couple of talks about CF smoke tests from:

  • Onno Brouwer, Rijkswaterstaat
  • Savani Tatake & Piyush Diwan, T Mobile
Time permitting, we may briefly discuss the KubeCF incubation proposal and maybe even get a CF-on-K8s overview.

As always, you can see the agenda here:

 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SCOlAquyUmNM-AQnekCOXiwhLs6gveTxAcduvDcW_xI

Let me know if you have anything to add or change.

Thanks,

TT

--
Troy Topnik
troy.topnik@...
 


Deprecation of cf-syslog-drain-release

Jesse Weaver
 

As previously announced [1], the Loggregator team has developed a new way to forward application logs over syslog using agents, rather than centralized adapters. This new approach can scale to higher log volume and numbers of app drains, and allows log egress from CloudFoundry without any dependence on the Loggregator firehose.

We have had an ops file[2] to switch to this new architecture in cf-deployment for some time, and are working to make it the default in a coming major version of cf-deployment. This would mean the removal of the scalable-syslog architecture, with its schedulers and adapters, and the cf-syslog-drain release.

Once this has been released, we would like to mark the cf-syslog-drain release as deprecated, and halt development.

Please let us know if you have any concerns or questions.

  1. https://lists.cloudfoundry.org/g/cf-dev/message/8304?p=,,,20,0,0,0::relevance,,syslog+agent,20,2,0,26724357
  2. https://github.com/cloudfoundry/cf-deployment/blob/master/operations/experimental/add-syslog-agent.yml


Re: Incubating KubeCF

Vlad Iovanov
 

Hello again, here’s the proposal doc with more details:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1plgJudkK1X_hZZ1qkoUGJpnHNHPXBPL3ULA__KQ_GAM/edit?usp=sharing

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

From: Chip Childers
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 8:02 PM
To: CF Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [cf-dev] Incubating KubeCF

 

Happy to see this Vlad!

 

Who is proposed to be the project lead, and who are the initial committers?

 

Chip Childers, CTO

Cloud Foundry Foundation

 

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:44 PM Vlad Iovanov <VIovanov@...> wrote:

Hi all,

SUSE would like to propose the KubeCF project for incubation in the Application Runtime PMC.

Kube CF is a Cloud Foundry distribution that runs on Kubernetes.

It uses the cf-operator [1] to deploy a full Cloud Foundry, that runs all the certified components.

It can also run Eirini [2] instead of Diego (so your apps are also run natively on Kube).

It’s fully open source with an Apache 2.0 license and can currently be found on GitHub at https://github.com/SUSE/kubecf.

The project would follow a distributed committer model.

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

[1] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/cf-operator

[2] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/eirini

 


Re: Incubating KubeCF

Troy Topnik
 

We'd like to propose Vlad Iovanov as project lead with the following additional initial committers:

Right now this project is pretty closely tied to Quarks (i.e. works with cf-operator) so there's overlap with that team.

Vlad is preparing a proposal document (coming soon) so we can capture discussion.

TT

--
Troy Topnik
Senior Product Manager, 
SUSE Cloud Application Platform 
troy.topnik@...
 


Re: Incubating KubeCF

Chip Childers <cchilders@...>
 

Happy to see this Vlad!

Who is proposed to be the project lead, and who are the initial committers?

Chip Childers, CTO
Cloud Foundry Foundation


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:44 PM Vlad Iovanov <VIovanov@...> wrote:

Hi all,

SUSE would like to propose the KubeCF project for incubation in the Application Runtime PMC.

Kube CF is a Cloud Foundry distribution that runs on Kubernetes.

It uses the cf-operator [1] to deploy a full Cloud Foundry, that runs all the certified components.

It can also run Eirini [2] instead of Diego (so your apps are also run natively on Kube).

It’s fully open source with an Apache 2.0 license and can currently be found on GitHub at https://github.com/SUSE/kubecf.

The project would follow a distributed committer model.

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

[1] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/cf-operator

[2] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/eirini


Re: Incubating KubeCF

Dr Nic Williams <drnicwilliams@...>
 

Looking forward to a bright future for CF this year! Thanks for pioneering ahead with the SCF -> KubeCF/Quarks projects.

There be dragons, for sure, but they are dragons of love :)

Nic
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Stark & Wayne LLC
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twitter @drnic


Incubating KubeCF

Vlad Iovanov <VIovanov@...>
 

Hi all,

SUSE would like to propose the KubeCF project for incubation in the Application Runtime PMC.

Kube CF is a Cloud Foundry distribution that runs on Kubernetes.

It uses the cf-operator [1] to deploy a full Cloud Foundry, that runs all the certified components.

It can also run Eirini [2] instead of Diego (so your apps are also run natively on Kube).

It’s fully open source with an Apache 2.0 license and can currently be found on GitHub at https://github.com/SUSE/kubecf.

The project would follow a distributed committer model.

 

Cheers,

Vlad

 

[1] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/cf-operator

[2] https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/eirini


Re: [cf-bosh] CF Summit North America 2020: Seeking Program Chair Nominations

Swarna Podila
 

Hi Dan,
Yes, blind review of CFP submissions is possible and we do intend to do blind review this year.  I will update the blog post accordingly; thank you for asking the question.

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:48 AM Daniel Jones <daniel.jones@...> wrote:
Hi Swarna,

Will a blind selection process be possible this year?

Regards,
Daniel 'Deejay' Jones - CTO
+44 (0)79 8000 9153
EngineerBetter Ltd - More than cloud platform specialists


On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 17:04, Swarna Podila <spodila@...> wrote:
Dear Friends,
It is that time of Cloud Foundry Summit again where we need your help in establishing the program committee to review CFP submissions.  Given the new format of Summits this year, we will also look to our program chairs to help structure the content in the best way suited for our community.

I've written up a quick post [1] that explains it and hopefully answers all your questions (if there are more questions, please don't hesitate to ask here or on in #summit or #cff-forum channels on slack).

Get nominating today [2]!  The nominations close on Feb 18, 11:59PM US PST.


--

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


Re: Component Changes in CF-for-K8s

Scott Sisil
 

Hi Daniel,

CAPI PM here - yes, kpack is replacing traditional staging in CF4K8s so we can move to an image based staging workflow for k8s.  The nice thing with kpack is that it makes use of CNB (buildpacks.io) and the buildpacks team has done the work to make sure this new buildpacks work in both CF4BOSH and CF4K8s.  

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:00 AM Daniel Jones <daniel.jones@...> wrote:
Hi folks,

What's the deal with components in CF getting CNCF-friendly replacements in CF-for-K8s? The repo points out that Istio, envoy, kpack and fluentd are in the mix.

Presumably kpack is replacing traditional staging? And is fluentd replacing Loggregator, or supplementing it?

Has there been any discussion of what this means for maintaining feature parity between CF4BOSH and CF4K8s, and for technical certification of CF platforms?

Regards,
Daniel 'Deejay' Jones - CTO
+44 (0)79 8000 9153
EngineerBetter Ltd - More than cloud platform specialists


Re: Component Changes in CF-for-K8s

Jesse Weaver
 

We (the Loggregator team) are looking to replace the existing Loggregator infrastructure with Fluentd + Log Cache.

Please see our proposed architecture at https://docs.google.com/document/d/112yROjqKtTJLVgC4RbmXEfC2KLQqKY3VQ34hzTmBQIU/edit# ; we're looking to get early stages of this into CF4K8S very soon.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:01 AM Daniel Jones <daniel.jones@...> wrote:
Hi folks,

What's the deal with components in CF getting CNCF-friendly replacements in CF-for-K8s? The repo points out that Istio, envoy, kpack and fluentd are in the mix.

Presumably kpack is replacing traditional staging? And is fluentd replacing Loggregator, or supplementing it?

Has there been any discussion of what this means for maintaining feature parity between CF4BOSH and CF4K8s, and for technical certification of CF platforms?

Regards,
Daniel 'Deejay' Jones - CTO
+44 (0)79 8000 9153
EngineerBetter Ltd - More than cloud platform specialists


Re: New lead for Community (CAB) meetings

Michael Maximilien
 

This is wonderful news!
 
Thanks Swarna for organizing the search and finding a leader.
 
And super thanks to Troy for stepping up. I am sure you will do fantastically well.
 
I am at your service. Best,

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ibm ☁ 
silicon valley, ca
maximilien.org
 
 

----- Original message -----
From: Swarna Podila <spodila@...>
To: CF Developers Mailing List <cf-dev@...>, cf-bosh <cf-bosh@...>, Troy Topnik <troy.topnik@...>, Michael Maximilien <maxim@...>
Cc: Neil MacDougall <nmacdougall@...>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: New lead for Community (CAB) meetings
Date: Thu, Feb 6, 2020 2:48 PM
 
Hi Friends,
Please join me in welcoming @Troy Topnik as the Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) Meeting host.  Please also join me in thanking Dr. Max for his gracious, thoughtful, and inspiring leadership through these years in not establishing (the call and more importantly, the momentum) and leading CAB meetings to such great success.  We will sorely miss him as the host but we will continue to see him as a participant.
 
A huge thank you to @Neil MacDougall as well, for offering to support Troy as and when needed.
 
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the awesome folks at Stark & Wayne (especially Ashley!) for diligently hosting this meeting on their zoom bridge and recording every meeting.  The recordings[1] are so much more helpful for those who cannot join these meetings live.  Thank you, Ashley and the S&W crew, for continuing to do this.
 
I would also like to thank the awesome folks at Altoros for diligently writing a summary of each call on their website[2].  These are extremely useful for those who are unable to either attend live or watch the recording.  Thank you, Team Altoros.
 
Looking forward to seeing you all in the next CAB meeting on Wednesday, February 19th at 11AM US Eastern. 
(You can add this and other regular community meetings to your own calendar from the community calendar posted here[3])
 
Cheers,
Swarna.
 
 
 
-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation
 
You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.
 
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:54 AM Swarna Podila <spodila@...> wrote:
Dear CF Community,
Max (popularly known as "Dr. Max", cc'd here) has been running Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) meetings for the past 4-ish years now.  As he mentioned during the recent calls, 2020 is a great opportunity for any of you in the community to nominate yourself (or someone you know is interested) to take the baton from Max.  Max will continue being an active member of our community; we just think that other members may want to take an opportunity to step up and make their mark in our community.  
 
The responsibilities will be to host 
  • the monthly CAB calls by sourcing interesting topics/demos for the meetings
  • in-person CAB meetings at Cloud Foundry Summits (we, from the Foundation, can help you with that)
If you are unsure of the responsibilities or if you would like to talk to Max directly, please feel free to reach out to him.
 
Please send us your nominations no later than February 5th. 
 
-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation
 
You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.
 


Component Changes in CF-for-K8s

Daniel Jones
 

Hi folks,

What's the deal with components in CF getting CNCF-friendly replacements in CF-for-K8s? The repo points out that Istio, envoy, kpack and fluentd are in the mix.

Presumably kpack is replacing traditional staging? And is fluentd replacing Loggregator, or supplementing it?

Has there been any discussion of what this means for maintaining feature parity between CF4BOSH and CF4K8s, and for technical certification of CF platforms?

Regards,
Daniel 'Deejay' Jones - CTO
+44 (0)79 8000 9153
EngineerBetter Ltd - More than cloud platform specialists


Re: [cf-bosh] CF Summit North America 2020: Seeking Program Chair Nominations

Daniel Jones
 

Hi Swarna,

Will a blind selection process be possible this year?

Regards,
Daniel 'Deejay' Jones - CTO
+44 (0)79 8000 9153
EngineerBetter Ltd - More than cloud platform specialists


On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 17:04, Swarna Podila <spodila@...> wrote:
Dear Friends,
It is that time of Cloud Foundry Summit again where we need your help in establishing the program committee to review CFP submissions.  Given the new format of Summits this year, we will also look to our program chairs to help structure the content in the best way suited for our community.

I've written up a quick post [1] that explains it and hopefully answers all your questions (if there are more questions, please don't hesitate to ask here or on in #summit or #cff-forum channels on slack).

Get nominating today [2]!  The nominations close on Feb 18, 11:59PM US PST.


--

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


CF Summit North America 2020: Seeking Program Chair Nominations

Swarna Podila
 

Dear Friends,
It is that time of Cloud Foundry Summit again where we need your help in establishing the program committee to review CFP submissions.  Given the new format of Summits this year, we will also look to our program chairs to help structure the content in the best way suited for our community.

I've written up a quick post [1] that explains it and hopefully answers all your questions (if there are more questions, please don't hesitate to ask here or on in #summit or #cff-forum channels on slack).

Get nominating today [2]!  The nominations close on Feb 18, 11:59PM US PST.


--

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


Re: enable 2fa for UAA zone

JohnG
 

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your feedback on this topic.

I not sure the whitelisting (IP) solution would hamper growing UAA as IDP
proxy?
Both can co-exist (IDP and IDP proxy) and there is certainly a need as
cloud.gov team mentioned.

Further, an example is predix.io which was forked out of uaa (from my little
understanding of what documentation is available)

I understand it is resource-coupled, but technically doable :) Do we need a
voting for this pull request?

If the matters are beyond what are transparent here on the thread, we can
close this topic. Good day,

Thanks
-CG





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Re: New lead for Community (CAB) meetings

Swarna Podila
 

Hi Friends,
Please join me in welcoming @Troy Topnik as the Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) Meeting host.  Please also join me in thanking Dr. Max for his gracious, thoughtful, and inspiring leadership through these years in not establishing (the call and more importantly, the momentum) and leading CAB meetings to such great success.  We will sorely miss him as the host but we will continue to see him as a participant.

A huge thank you to @Neil MacDougall as well, for offering to support Troy as and when needed.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the awesome folks at Stark & Wayne (especially Ashley!) for diligently hosting this meeting on their zoom bridge and recording every meeting.  The recordings[1] are so much more helpful for those who cannot join these meetings live.  Thank you, Ashley and the S&W crew, for continuing to do this.

I would also like to thank the awesome folks at Altoros for diligently writing a summary of each call on their website[2].  These are extremely useful for those who are unable to either attend live or watch the recording.  Thank you, Team Altoros.

Looking forward to seeing you all in the next CAB meeting on Wednesday, February 19th at 11AM US Eastern. 
(You can add this and other regular community meetings to your own calendar from the community calendar posted here[3])

Cheers,
Swarna.


-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:54 AM Swarna Podila <spodila@...> wrote:
Dear CF Community,
Max (popularly known as "Dr. Max", cc'd here) has been running Cloud Foundry Community Advisory Board (CAB) meetings for the past 4-ish years now.  As he mentioned during the recent calls, 2020 is a great opportunity for any of you in the community to nominate yourself (or someone you know is interested) to take the baton from Max.  Max will continue being an active member of our community; we just think that other members may want to take an opportunity to step up and make their mark in our community.  

The responsibilities will be to host 
  • the monthly CAB calls by sourcing interesting topics/demos for the meetings
  • in-person CAB meetings at Cloud Foundry Summits (we, from the Foundation, can help you with that)
If you are unsure of the responsibilities or if you would like to talk to Max directly, please feel free to reach out to him.

Please send us your nominations no later than February 5th. 

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


Re: enable 2fa for UAA zone

Dan Beneke
 

Hi CG - 

Thanks for the information and context.  The case presented is similar in spirit to the conversation that occurred in PR #540 as noted earlier in this email by Peter.  Generally, 2FA enablement is made difficult because it currently applies to all authentications broadly. 

We don't currently see a path for reopening this ticket and our thoughts as to why fall into two buckets:
1. It furthers the use of UAA as an identity provider and we believe it more valuable to focus on UAA as an identity proxy
2. It extends the use of UAA's 2FA/MFA functionality, which we believe should be deprecated (or follow IdP functionality)

There is a world where you could imagine UAA's functionality being split into two separate deployments - one acting as a proxy, the other acting as an IdP.  In that world, the IdP portion could theoretically choose to maintain IdP-like features like 2FA/MFA. We aren't there yet, but with outcomes like that in mind, we want to ensure we aren't adding to the complexity of uncoupling UAA's IdP and proxy functionality sets.

Regards,
Dan Beneke

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:00 PM JohnG via Lists.Cloudfoundry.Org <ci_98yr=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
Thanks Dan and I also followed a bit the link that Peter provided on this.

Definitely I can see use-case as proxy as well as IDP itself. 

Would it be possible to strike a middle path here, in the sense that based on filters and whitelist of IP CIDRs the operators/admins 
can configure to accept API calls without 2FA, while anywhere outside would accept users credentials with in-built 2FA. So that way the auto-tests would not break (eg within CF vPC or dev env which are typically pvt ip-ranges)

Is there a path for reopening of the mentioned/closed ticket?


 


Re: New lead for Community (CAB) meetings

Swarna Podila
 

Thank you, Troy.

Dear Community,
Here is a last call if anyone else would like to support Troy or nominate themselves to co-lead CAB with Troy.  The "call for nominations" will officially close at11:59PM US Pacific (it is still Feb 5th here in my timezone ;) ).

-- Swarna Podila (she/her)
Senior
 Director
, Community
 | Cloud Foundry Foundation

You can read more about pronouns here, or please ask if you'd like to find out more.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:49 AM Troy Topnik <troy.topnik@...> wrote:
I'd be happy to take this on if nobody else is biting. I hereby nominate myself. :)

For those that don't know me, I am a Product Manager at SUSE responsible for SUSE Cloud Application Platform. I have been working in and around Cloud Foundry since 2011 as a technical writer, instructor, product manager, and enthusiastic user. I've recently been focused on Cloud Foundry incubator projects related to Kubernetes (Eirini and Quarks), and on the Stratos web user interface.

Huge thanks to Dr. Max for leading these meetings over the years! 
 
TT

--
Troy Topnik
Senior Product Manager, 
SUSE Cloud Application Platform 
 


Re: New lead for Community (CAB) meetings

Dr Nic Williams <drnicwilliams@...>
 

Thanks Troy, that sounds awesome.

Thanks again Dr Max for many awesome years running CAB calls.

Nic
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