Re: Is anyone working on a CF CRD & Controller?
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Thanks for starting a convo. The timing couldn't be better. I can share some of the thinking going on in both CAPI and VMware land.
But first and foremost I want to address the question: "Is there any point in the community working on such a solution, or are one of the bigger companies secretly working on something that would supersede any community effort?" - yes, yes, a thousand times yes to community collaboration!
The topic of CRDs is kind of huge. It's really great to hear your focus is on things like orgs/spaces. From a CAPI perspective, I've been thinking more about representing apps and push as CRDs, and I believe the Eirini team has some thoughts in this area as well. There's a lot of ground to cover clearly.
In terms of things that are in flight now.
Currently these CRDs are being created and owned by the Cloud Controller, which enables us to present backward compatible APIs to our CLI and UI like stratos, while moving the implementation down into controllers fronted by CRDs. There's an obvious potential to interact with k8s directly in the future, but the current use case is to be used by CC. Except for kpack which is an excellent stand alone tool already :).
These efforts are great and are allowing us to begin a path towards using existing k8s tooling and projects to provide Cloud Foundry outcomes, but obviously there's a lot further to go.
From VMware's side, over the last couple weeks, there has been an effort to explore what it might look like to use CRDs entirely as a source of truth for *all* CF data, in place of a SQL database, as a learning exercise, not necessarily a desired outcome. The primary goal of that effort was to start the convo that we're having now, and to be able to contribute in a meaningful way. Note there are no VMware-based plans to dump a fully fledged proposal. We need to start from a premise as a community of understanding how/why/and which resources are valuable as CRDs.
For example when we look at orgs/spaces - we have to wonder if those are even resources we want to represent as CRDs, when k8s already has a namespace construct.
I think we'll need to start some dedicated working document to collaborate in. I had planned on facilitating that after some of the investigation that VMware has wraps up, but I don't think that's a reason to hold off if you or somebody else in the community has thoughts they want to start getting down. CAPI and other teams can contribute to an existing doc if that makes sense. Any other thoughts you'd prefer for next steps?
Looking forward to a continued conversation.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:56 AM Keshav Sharma <ksharma@...> wrote: