Re: [IMPORTANT] 2017 PaaS Certification Requirements

Chip Childers <cchilders@...>

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:39 PM Dan Young <dan.young(a)>

Thanks Bernd, you make some very good points, including this one:

· Interoperability of CF deployments on an API level is an
important property, at the level of what’s exposed to a developer using CF;
I’m not sure that interoperability on the “platform operations” level has
the same priority at this point in time with many of the underlying
infrastructure pieces moving quite rapidly

In Chip's first response to Dr Nic he said, 'the certification process
for offerings isn't about experimentation in the ecosystem. It's about
consistency across the distributions.'. This struck me as interesting
because I always thought there was a strong, implicit connection between
certification and the ecosystem. CF certification is a powerful concept
that benefits both user and vendors. If you turn up the dial on
certification requirements you improve consistency, but the inevitable
trade off is a reduced space for competition and ecosystem growth.

Your point here about timing is, I think, particularly astute. The
Foundation finds itself faced with a similar decision to that of a central
bank trying to decide when to raise interest rates. The CF user
experience is sacrosanct, but the timing of whether to introduce mandatory
BOSH for deployment is crucial given the existence of non BOSH-based
vendors, the size of the CF ecosystem, overall industry context and pace of
change at the infrastructure layer.
Timing is always the challenge with anything like this. ;-)

If feels that this conversation has died down here on the list now. Hearing
multiple perspectives has been really useful. To all those that shared
thoughts, thank you! We need to continue to have more discussions like this
on-list... even when it might feel uncomfortable at first.

In my personal opinion, based on the input from this discussion, 2017
doesn't appear to be the right timing for the overall ecosystem to require
BOSH. I'll present that opinion (along with all of the comments in this
thread) to the PMC Council when we move the requirements through to a
formal vote there.

Chip Childers
CTO, Cloud Foundry Foundation

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