Re: [Proposal] Wanted a Babysitter for my applicatoin. ; -)


Dhilip
 

Hi All,

Thanks for the response.

Hi Amit,

Thanks for the info, I haven’t noticed that we run a copy of executor for each ‘garden-linux’ container that we launch. We do have a ‘push’ based container metrics collection and monitoring mechanism already in place then, In this case I can think of only the following benefits here.


1) This can become a unified health check approach as this binary can be packed within the container, it can even run inside a docker-container of an external system and keep pushing to a common HM. Or we could run this in the same VM as a My-SQL instance to get its health.

2) This can be a part of the SshD as we are running a daemon in every container anyways.

Ofcourse the original intention is to see if we could slightly alter the way diego’s monitoring/metrics collection works. If this is already implemented then I do not see a point perusing this idea.

Thanks for your time CF,
Dhilip


From: Amit Gupta [mailto:agupta(a)pivotal.io]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 1:05 AM
To: Discussions about Cloud Foundry projects and the system overall.
Cc: Vinay Murudi; Krishna M Kumar; Liangbiao; Srinivasch ch
Subject: [cf-dev] Re: Re: [Proposal] Wanted a Babysitter for my applicatoin. ;-)

I'm not sure I see the benefit here.

Diego, for instance, runs a customizable babysitter alongside each app instance, and kills the container if the babysitter says things are going bad. This triggers an event that the system can react to, and the system also polls for container states because events can always be lost.

One thing to note is in this case, "the system" is the Executor, not HM9k (which doesn't exist in Diego), or the Converger (Diego's equivalent of HM9k), or Firehose or Cloud Controller which are very far removed from the container backend. In Diego, the pieces are loosely coupled, events/data in the system don't have to be sent through several layers of abstraction.

Best,
Amit

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Curry, Matthew <Matt.Curry(a)allstate.com<mailto:Matt.Curry(a)allstate.com>> wrote:
We have been talking about something similar that we have labeled the Angry Farmer. I do not think you would need an agent. The firehose and cloud controller should have everything that you need. Also an agent does not give you the ability to really measure the performance of instances relative to each other which is a good indicator of bad state or performance.

Matt

From: Dhilip Kumar S <dhilip.kumar.s(a)huawei.com<mailto:dhilip.kumar.s(a)huawei.com>>
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Subject: [cf-dev] [Proposal] Wanted a Babysitter for my applicatoin. ;-)

Hello CF,
Greetings from Huawei. Here is a quick idea that came up to our mind recently. Honestly we did not spend enormous time brainstorming this internally, but we thought we could go ahead and ask the community directly. It would be a great help to know if such an idea had already been considered and dropped by the community.
Proposal Motivations

The way health-check process is currently performed in cloud foundry is to run a command<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_cloudfoundry-2Dincubator_healthcheck&d=BQMGaQ&c=gtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&r=5uKsnIXwfJIxHSaCSaJzvcn90bBlYQuxsJhof4ERK-Q&m=8v-kDNCf3N_TGthtUze_YzZR4BADnwPZ9BiNHtzQnF4&s=MkllX3Km4FRjbvpC1QE02cQWP_QcCOE2qDv-UQCgytk&e=> periodically; if the exit status is non-zero then it is assumed that an application is non-responsive. We periodically repeat this process for all the applications. Which means that we actually scan the entire data center frequently to find one or few miss-behaving apps?

Why can’t we change the way health-check is done? Can it reflect the real-world? The hospitals don’t periodically scan the entire community looking for sick residents. Similarly, why can’t we report problems as and when they occur – just like the real-world?

How about a lightweight process that constantly monitors the application’s health and periodically reports in case an app is down or non-responsive etc. In a huge datacenter where thousands of apps are hosted, and each app has many instances. Wouldn’t it be better to make the individual app/container come and tell us(healthmanager) that there is a problem instead of scanning all of them? Push versus Pull model - Something like a babysitter residing within each container and taking care of the ‘app’ hosted by our customers.
How to accomplish this?
Our proposal is for BabySitter(BS) – an agent residing within each container optionally deployed using app-specific configuration. This agent sends out the collected metrics to health monitor in case of any anomaly – periodic time-series information etc. The agent should remember the configured threshold value that each app should not exceed; otherwise it triggers an alarm automatically to the health monitor in case of any threshold violations. The alarm even could be sent many times a second to the healthmonitor depending on the severity of the event, but the regular periodic ‘time-series’ information could be collected every second but sent once a minute to the HM. The challenge is design the application ‘bs’ as lightweight as possible.
This is our primary idea, we also thought it would make more sense if we club few more capabilities to babysitter like sshd (as a goroutine) and fileserver(as a goroutine) but before we bore you with all that details, we first want to understand what CF community thinks about this initial idea.
Thanks in advance,
Dhilip

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